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  • Is Hong Kong Local Music Thriving?

    Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 12:49AM / Standard Entry / Members only
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    Many thanks for those who commented on my previous blogs. I actually thought after replying to everyone, I should delete the replies. Guess that was a wrong move. Blog is not e-mail, my bad. Why am I blogging this topic today? Please bear with me as this is pretty long but i think is important.

    This all started when I was listening to a local radio chart countdown on Saturday afternoon. It was a good way to really get an update on what's popular in Hong Kong and I will do so every possible chance I get. As I was listening, I suddenly realize that each song that was played was really awful and sound monotonous. Yes, there are many new acts which is a good sign but none of them are `special'. Not bad singers but just bad songs. Also, you don't really `feel' they are singing with passion or soul. Technically great but emotionally weak. Song production is really similar from one to another. As my colleague would say, it always starts with C. Is this what Hong Kong Music is becoming? I ask myself that Hong kong is such a cosmopolitan country and a melting pot of various cultures but why musically we are so behind?

    Why, I ask is this happening?

    1) KARAOKE

    I really blame it on the guy who invented karaoke. Hong Kong is no longer a society that cherish uniqueness, adventure or curious for something new. Instead it's a society that longs for the same, similarity and safety. Everyone wants to be the next Jacky Cheung, Andy Lau, Sammi Cheng, Leo Ku or Eason Chan. No one really wants to be themselves anymore. I don't blame them cause when the craze started we all sang to the lyrics and watching the music videos of our idols lip synching and even think we are them for that 4 minutes. It was a fantastic experience and karaoke industry exploded. At one stage karaoke turnover was bigger than recorded music business in Asia!!!

    All the unique and good HK artists nowadays in Hong Kong either grew up in International school or studied abroad. Eason grew up in UK. Khalil grew up in Hawaii. Nicholas and Edison from International schools and went abroad to further their studies.  They all are exposed to so many different music genre and karaoke was not a dominat in their life.

    2) COVER VERSION

    After the karaoke boom started, the Hong Kong music business is thriving and stars are created almost weekly. But Record Company (that's what they are called at that time) faces a huge problem. There are not enough songs to feed the machine. Solution? Do cover versions of other people songs. It doesn't matter where it's from as long it's usable and is `karaoke-friendly". This term was so widely use it almost becoming a music industry term. Write a `karaoke friendly' song!!!!! The good news is that Western or Japanese songs became huge hits as well by piggybacking on Cantonese versions of the songs. Anzen Tetai, Chage & Aska, Sandra, Pepsi & Shirley, Janet Jackson, Finzi Kontini (who you ask? they are the original singer of "Cha Cha Cha").

    Suddenly it all stops when the broadcast authority said that they will no longer play cover version on radio to protect local musicians in particularly songwriters. But the supply of local good songs runs short of demand. Suddenly, second rated songs are OK's by A&R managers for singers to sing to continue feeding the machine. 

    3) MEDIA

    Commercial Radio has always been the cutting edge of music on radio and I applaud them for all their work of moving the industry forward. They always seem to be cooler and trendier than the other stations even till now. I enjoyed Chi Chung "Quote Zone" a lot as my only source for Western Music when I first arrived in Hong Kong. However, suddenly there is a disconnect between domestic music and Western music. Kids starting to lose interest in western trends and with the above 2 factors still feature strongly, slowly the new generation starts to get stale and setting low standards on the musical needs. Radio starts to program "safe music" to satisfy commercial needs. Record companies also feeding what the consumer wants rather than taking them forward. TVB also did the same and before long the whole market grew stale. Year end awards no longer shows the same excitement compared to the days of Alan Tam, Anita Mui, Leslie Cheung or Jacky Cheung anymore. The media tried very hard but as music was not progressing they give the same award to the same artists singing the same songs. Ballads rule or should I say "karaoke friendly songs".

    4) SONG WRITERS

    Songwriters facing the same issue of whether to satisfy commercial needs or creative needs. I actually spoke to some publishing company executive about whether this is a problem songwriters is aware of and the answer is a resounding yes! I said, would it make a difference if they write in Mandarin and then change it later to Cantonese as Mandarin as a language seemed to create better melodies. I also ask whether producer is over producing songs because the melody is to difficult to differentiate and again the answer is a resounding yes! This needs to change.

    With all the above factors, slowly and surely the Cantonese music scene has come to a standstill. New artists don't need to sing from the heart anymore. Good vocal technique is adequate. The rest of the process will be taken care of by uber producers and super record execs.

    The problem with all this is that the world around us has moved on. Look at Taiwan who at one time was not respected by Hong Kong entertainment industry and has now overtaken us and create Big Regional Superstars. It used to be the HK Heavenly Kings but instead of Leon, Andy, Jacky & Aaron, there are now Jay Chou, Lee Hom, Show & David Tao. Sammi, Miriam & Kelly are now replaced by Jolin, Yanzi & Angela. The scariest thing is that some of the Taiwanese stars are now struggling to hold on as well. Taiwan Idol TV shows are upsetting the balance with the likes of Jam, Yoga and Aska (at least their "English" names are creative) doing really well regionally. Is this the start of the 3rd coming?

    I think there is definitely an opportunity for a new generation of superstars to emerge? What will the new superstars do? Sing well, dance well, write songs, produce songs or all of the above? Will there be a chance for Hong Kong artist to shine? Will the HK music scene change for the better? I really think it's possible but the change cannot be done by me alone.

    Aspiring singers need to expose themselves to various music cultures and infuse their own creativity and created something unique but accessible by `normal' people. Pushing the boundary step by step. If you are not comfortable with Cantonese then sing in Mandarin? It doesn't need to be a ballad. It can be a rap, rock, jazz, soul, funk, nu-metal as long as it's good and you like it and most comfortable with. Good news is that there is a superstar in every genre of music there is.

    Music companies need to think of artist career and be more market & consumer aware. "Karaoke friendly songs" are no longer the in term. If a song is a hit, it will be  a karaoke hit. Don't follow the market. lead them. I remember people sang to LMF karaoke and you will never see us telling MC Yan or Davy to write karaoke songs. They will just tell us to" F" ourselves. Sometimes artist needs time to grow and also understand their consumers.  

    Media needs to start educating the consumer that there is a whole wide world of music out there. Be adventurous with the playlist but don't send them to the orbit with your knowledge. They have lost all Western music sense and consumer needs time to get back into it. Instead of programming Sigur Ros, try Coldplay or Keane. Instead of Method Man, Music Soulchild or Kayshia Cole, try introducing them to Chris Brown, Usher and Rihanna. Internet and You Tube has been a revolution as well for us not relying on been force feed by media and allow an ordinary person to experience new music themselves.  

    I am proud my Hong Kong team has develop Hong Kong best hope in Khalil Fong as the best our chance for superstardom in the region.  Why? He is multi talented, writes his own songs and the man/boy has got serious amount of "soul". Great family support and upbringing (don't drink, don't smoke) and most of all a totally "unique" package. I do hope that he is not the only one and people like Eason, Janice, Kay & Justin will all continue to develop into something `unique' and `special' as well with their companies and rebuild the HK music scene into a dominant powerhouse again.

    http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=MqxL_wnoDm4

    Common, let's hear it for the HK music scene. Write to me with your ideas. Maybe, the people in AnD will spearhead a new revolution?

     

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  • calvinwong
    Official artist
    posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 12:53PM
    apologies to Marie Jost. Forgot you actually stays in US. Anthony Wong is definitely one of the artists that moved mainstream pop to a new level in HK. can't really comment about Iran and Brazil as I never been there but in Asia, I have travelled extenmsively for years understanding the `mainstream' music markets in Asia which I can give a more thorough view. Cheers.
  • calvinwong
    Official artist
    posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 12:51PM
    cherrymochi gave another interesting perspective. however, the whole point of mainstream music is about `pop' music which as you know stands for `pop'ular. I think the endorsement is aprt and parcel of being popular. artist can choose to be in it or not. of course, if you are an indie 'cred' band this would be a no-no ie radiohead, coldplay etc. but nowadays even the'coolest' of acts can tell you that this is not at all a problem if it matches your image and identity ie U2 with ipod etc.
  • mariejost
    Official artist
    posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 12:26PM [Report]
    Well, Calvin, the funny thing is, most of what I listen to that is non-Anglo music IS mainstream in its home country.  Maybe not top 10, but certainly top 40.  Anthony Wong Yiu Ming can fill the Hong Kong Coliseum, so he's hardly niche.  All of the Brazilians I listen to sell oodles of records and are treated like national treasures by the home folks.  Alejandro Sanz has sold more records than any other recording artist in Spanish history.  Ricardo Arjona's tours routinely play before 1 million plus before he puts them to bed.  These folks are often the musical superstars of their home country, or at least they have huge followings of avid fans.  They sell millions of records, win their equivalent of the Grammies, promote products, have their own charities, are hounded by the press just like the musical stars we are familiar with from our own cultures.  I do have a few hidden guilty non-mainstream pleasures, but they are people like Daniel Lanois, who is well enough know for his work as a superstar producer for U2 and so many others, that most people know who he is, even if they don't really know his solo work.  Its the classical and Early Music I listen to that are more on the fringes, just because the audience for this type of music is typically much smaller than for pop music.  But in a place like Iran, the classical musicians are the superstars since the government doesn't permit pop music.  Among non-Asians in the US, no one has ever heard of Leslie Cheung as a singer.  I guess it is all a matter of context what is "niche" and what isn't.
  • calvinwong
    Official artist
    posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 12:15PM
    Denise Keller make a great comment comparing Singapore & Hong Kong which i thought were very interesting comment. Look at what Singapore has produce over the last few years in terms of Chinese talent. Stefanie Sun, JJ Lin & Tanya Chua have done tremedously well in Taiwan and China as well as Hong Kong. Why, you ask? Their music exposure is so diverse. Just look at their radio stations. 2 for Chinese and they have 2 Western Top 40 stations (P10 & Power 98) and another few AC stations. General consumer can accept new trends easier.
    I have the priviledge to know both Stefanie & Tanya and I can tell you musically they are fantastic and knowledgeable.
    Same can't be said about HK.
    Also, there are so many potential ones making some headway in China like Jocie Guo & Joi Cai and I'm sure they are not the last.
    HK has to learn from Singapore, if anything
  • calvinwong
    Official artist
    posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 12:06PM
    I love Marie Jost idea but we need to be careful not to go too extreme or else there will be a huge divide between mainstream and `cool' & 'niche'. Then the purpose will be defeated. One step at a time.
  • calvinwong
    Official artist
    posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 12:03PM
    Yes HK is small but the mainstream stuff is not progressing. That's the issue. We need variety of mainstream. Also, quality of mainstream is relatively low compared to Taiwan, Korea & Japan
  • mariejost
    Official artist
    posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 9:44PM [Report]
    Calvin suggests listeners use You Tube and other internet resources to broaden their musical exposure.  This is such an excellent idea.  I think it also helps when people on AnD post some of their favorite videos that are outside of genres typically featured on local commercial radio (wherever you happen to live) so that we all get to see some of the best of the rest that's out there.  I have started posting some of my favorite music here on my blog on AnD.  For the past 20 years, I have been immersed in a lot non-English language music that beats the pants off of most of what US mass market English-language media is promoting.  I will be posting more in the weeks and months ahead and I can guarantee that 98% of folks on AnD will never have heard of these artists.  I have done some of the heavy lifting for you by picking what I think to be the best of the best from some of these outstanding artists.  If everyone on AnD posted even 1 or 2 examples of their favorite music that is outside of the commercial radio mainstream in their home country, this site would really be rocking.
  • rottendoubt
     
    posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 9:29PM [Report]
    and btw, yes i agree.  i wonder if it's because hk is so small relative to places like the us?  so there's not a big enough market to support anything more than the super mainstream stuff?
  • rottendoubt
     
    posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 9:27PM [Report]
    hahah i love this cartoon
  • stephenmak
     
    posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 10:39AM [Report]
    Finally, it is YOU. You wrote what 's the hell going on in HK music. However, I am not the optimistic one. Unless the influrence of this generaltion ends, no change in HK music will be expected.
  • mariejost
    Official artist
    posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 8:15AM [Report]
    Cherrymochi, I read an interesting comment on a blog about China recently (can't remember if it was Grady Hendrix at Varietyasiaonline or one of the China bloggers at Time.com, but they were talking about the celebrity phenomenon in the Chinese media (mainland and HK).  The theory was, because the Chinese government does not let news media report on hard news (like politics, economics, social unrest, social inequality, corrupt party officials--you get the idea) all of the journalist effort went into reporting on celebrities.  Since there is typically little really noteworthy about celebrities, this also leads to the rampant fabrication of celebrity "news".  Something to think about in terms of the music industry--being promoted by China as opium for the masses to take their attention off of much bigger issues.
  • cherrymochi
     
    posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 7:57AM [Report]
    great post.

    I think another issue here is the reliance on celebrity product sponsorships. I’ve only been to HK once and Taiwan a handful of times, but each time I went I remembered walking down streets filled with billboards of celebrities holding all sorts of products. The celeb focus there seemed much stronger than it is here in the US with the exception of a few parts of LA and maybe Times Square in NY. Just look at a World journal newspaper vs. the NYTimes and compare how many celeb photos there are. Our obsession with celebrities rewards those that have “the look”– as a result the brands and images that are built up and become household names aren’t necessarily those that have the most talent – it’s those whose image pushes sales. Not sure what drives this, maybe the piracy factor in Asia forces those in the business to focus more heavily on sponsorships as a rev stream? The fame factor for musicians vs. actors and the crossover from one to the other is also interesting to think about.

    And you’re right, alivenotdead has a lot of potential to be a game changer :)
  • denisekeller
    Official artist
    posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 7:56AM [Report]
    I've been away from HK for quite some time now, only to return to a 'thriving' music scene everyone was trying to convince me of. Overnight, somebody was a dj, an underground rockstar, an mc, a musician and I thought: the young & new musically gifted people have arrived, this would be the next generation of sensation. However these 'sensational' names never traveled any further than the island, not like the old days where my granny would be humming to either one of the heavenly kings in Singapore. Most Hk bands now are unheard of in Singapore. THE ONE thing I give HK though, in comparison to the Singapore local music scene, is the support and love they get from their fans. In Singapore,  I watch how local bands get so frustrated when  they have a hard time finding venues to play, let alone having kids support them. Catch 22, I say...xdk
  • sonyafu
    Official artist
    posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 1:24AM [Report]
    I can't agree more. Since when it's become "mainstreamed" and so "cookie-cuttered"? That's the reason karaoke isn't a thing for me. I grew up listening to Deep Purple, Rainbow, Bon Jovi, Metallica (etc.) under my dad's influence. (though I received education from local schools in HK) Most of my classmates wouldn't understand my taste in music when I tried to introduce them music from Portishead, Bjork, Blond Redhead, Sigur Ros, GoldFrapp -etc.
  • Dotcom
     
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 10:31PM [Report]
    Kareoke is not the only problem.
    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=4829355970&topic=3460

    Linda C is now making her new album, when will the madness end?
  • mariejost
    Official artist
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 6:50PM [Report]
    Wow, no covers get radio play.  I didn't know.  Without covers, Leslie Cheung would never have become a star.  Most of his hits in the 80s were covers of either Japanese or American songs.  

    Also, the trend to composing almost exclusivly in Mandarin is troubling.  Cantonese is a much more muscular sounding language than Mandarin.  If you want your music to have edge in the vocals, sing in Cantonese.  Nothing can beat those hard consonants Cantonese gives you.  I liken the difference to sung Cantonese and Mandarin the difference between sung Spanish and French.  How many top pop artists do you know who sing in French?  How many who sing in Spanish?  It should tell you something that Shakira, Juanes, David Bisbal, and Alejandro Sanz are internationally famous.  France's top international export, Rachid Taha, sings in Maghrebi Arabic--a hard hitting language that can really rock!
  • lijamesxu
    Official artist
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 6:49PM [Report]
    AY FUCKING MEN...
  • lydiakuan
    Official artist
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 5:15PM [Report]
    U're absolutely right!!!!!!!! I also agree with u that the karaoke culture dries creativity.And music is overplayed everywhere anywhere that I find music noise.Silence is better.
  • JoanneSanderson
     
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 4:22PM [Report]
    The Hong Kong music scene has had a bad rapport in the UK, with many naming it cantopap, I personally do not feel that way and think it's a rude remark on our part, but I do understand the need to broaden the genres available in Hong Kong, give a chance to the new scene.
  • stephen
     
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 3:04PM [Report]
    Unfortunately, it's possible that HK has become fat and lazy off of it's previous successes pumping out identical-sounding musical for a decade. Piracy and a mainland market less receptive to Cantonese songs means that fewer players have been putting their eggs in fewer baskets and trying to make it up on the backside through endorsements and other ancillaries that have nothing to do with the music. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has caught on to the fact that the only way to EXPAND an industry is to support a DIVERSITY of music: It's not that the 四大天王 were bad, it was that they SHOULD have opened the door for the entire region's emerging musicians to also share in the world spotlight. Online SHOULD systemically reduce both marketing and distribution costs and bring the musicians CLOSER in communication with their fans -- this makes the hurdle for emerging artists lower because the initial investment for connecting with audiences should be lower. A broader diversity of artists SHOULD be expanding the overall music market like what's happening in the US and Europe (and I don't just mean CD and ITunes sales, I mean the total # of acts and the total # of minutes ppl spend listening to music).

    Like your previous post, it's probably time to stop looking at the HMV sales charts and start thinking about how to create a music-driven LIFESTYLE -- return to the days when teenagers were SO into local music that they'd spend hours crafting mix tapes from songs recorded off the radio. It seems to me that alot of that kind of passion is already lost ... not just in the HK music industry but also in regional entertainment industries around the world.
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