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  • 15-6-09 : OCEAN DEEP

    Monday, Jul 6, 2009 10:58PM / Standard Entry / Members only
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    Thoughts inspired by Chen Tai Chi training with Hou Sifu

    I've been passionate about martial arts and martial arts movies for as long as I can remember. The two aren't, as you might imagine, necessarily inclusive. I've met dozens of kung fu movie fans who have never trained in martial arts in their lives. Similarly, there are many die hard kung fu practitioners who turn their noses up at 'chop socky' movies. And so it goes...

    Kung fu is unique in that its only world famous practitioners are those who perform their art on camera. No-one thinks of Sylvester Stallone as a famous boxer; he's an actor who plays a boxer in a string of films. With martial arts, the lines of blurred. Ask a layman to name a kung fu man, and they will undoubtedly say Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan or Jet Li. There's an assumption that, because they make martial arts movies, there guys must be martial arts masters. No-one expects Tom Cruise to really fly a 'plane, but they do believe that anyone who stars in a kung fu movie is a real kung fu master.

    I get asked about this a lot, particularly as I'm one of the relatively few people with equal experience of kung fu and kung fu movies: does (insert name of Asian action star) really know kung fu? To be precise, there are actually three kinds of martial arts move star:

    a) those who learned real kung fu, and then applied their skills to a film career (Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Jet Li, Donnie Yen, Wu Jing, Tony Jaa...)

    b) those who developed their skills as an actor, then learned what martial arts they needed to know specifically for film work (Chow Yun-fat, Michelle Yeoh, Zhang Ziyi, Keanu Reeves...)

    c) those who, though cast in martials movies, never bothered to train their skills to meet the challenge (who shall remain nameless...)

    I once got into huge trouble with my former wife's boss over this issue. Apparently, 'Matrix' producer Joel Silver had told the press that Keanu Reeves could defeat Jet Li in a kung fu showdown. The South China Morning Post called and said 'Mr.Logan, as you are a martial artist and a martial arts filmmaker, how do you feel about this?'. I observed that Jet Li was a bona fide wu shu champion, and Keanu was a fine actor who had been trained to play a martial arts expert in a movie, and there was a world of difference between the two...

    The Rosa Klebb of Warner Bros was not amused. Had I no respect for my wife's position as a WB publicist? I responded that I did, but asked the woman if, seriously, she thought Reeves could beat Li in a real fight? That's beside the point, she sputtered. If people don't believe it, maybe they won't come and see 'Matrix Reloaded'! (As it turned out, they did, in great numbers, and probably left the theatres thinking it exactly the kind of film one would expect from a producer who believed Keanu could beat Jet...)

    But I digress... I've trained in many different martial arts styles over the years; my main style now is Hung Kuen or Hung Gar. I've also enjoyed a growing appreciation for Chen Tai Chi, especially as its taught by Sifu Ocean Hou, whom I actually met through Alive Not Dead.

    Ocean, who lives in Shenzhen, has been kind enough to come across the border to train clan Logan, and with each visit he deepens my appreciation of this extraordinary art.

    As you may know, their are several different branches of Tai Chi, each with its own special attributes, and with the usal internecine strife between the different sects. I don't know enough about Tai Chi to have a vote, but I do know that Ocean is the real deal. His forms is fluid and powerful, and he can apply the techniques with minimum effort and maximum result. If you're interested to contact Ocean directly, his email is youshengclub@hotmail.com, or, if you'd like to join us next time he comes to Hong Kong, feel free to contact me care of this site.

    And, finally, let me list the five finest demonstrations of Tai Chi in a cinematic context:

    1) Tai Chi Master AKA Twin Warriors : Jet Li plays the legendary founder of Yang Style Tai Chi in this action packed bio pic (nb the Chen style claims another antecedent). Donnie Yen was offered the main villain role and turned it down! Its terrific anyway, and out now (harrumph) on Dragon Dynasty DVD.

    2) Drunken Tai Chi : In his debut, a young Donnie Yen shows the art instilled in him since childhood (his mother is master Bow Sim-Mark). Some of the comedy is goofy as Mickey's pal, but martial maestro Yuen Woo-ping puts his protege through his paces. Check out the duel between Donnie and Don Wong Tao (formerly the star of, yes!, Slaughter in San Francisco) which, for me, is better than the finale.

    3) Tai Chi Boxer AKA Tai Chi 2 : Wu Jing makes his starring debut as a young Tai Chi master (and subsequently reprised the role in an excellent TV series). I remember meeting him in Hong Kong on his press tour for this film! Doesn't have the production values of Tai Chi Master, but director Yuen Woo-ping still delivers the goods, actionwise.

    4) Kung Fu Cult Master: Sammo Hung plays an ancient Tai Chi master who teaches Jet what he needs to win the final battle. The film as a whole is a cheesecake mix, but this scene is gold. (Its also known as 'Kung Fu Colt Master' on some DVD sleeves.

    5) Champions : My former teacher Li Fai shows her stuff in this recent martial arts actioner from Tsui Siu-ming. The drama is jingoistic, but the kung fu fighting is some of the most solid of recent vintage.

     

     

     

     

     

Entry comments (14)

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  • Gaijinder
    posted on Sunday, Jul 19, 2009 11:25PM [Report]
    Great post! I keep thinking of getting into Tai Chi but being in Wisconsin, there's not much available! Also, props for mentioning Kung Fu Cult Master, that scene is truly one of the best parts of the movie. That and Jet Li learning a new style via getting the crap kicked out of him by a guy in a bolder.
  • JRS
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 8, 2009 3:18PM [Report]
    Master-in-training and Ocean.  Great pic!
  • JRS
    posted on Wednesday, Jul 8, 2009 3:17PM [Report]
    Bey!  Round out your wrists a little more....remember peng energy can be broken by sharp body angels.
  • Klove
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 11:19PM [Report]
    Ahhh... Tai Chi what a blessing. An art that is better not put into words. What an healthful artistic expression of pics. :)
  • silky
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 6:19PM [Report]
    It's great that you met up and trained a little. Chen Tai Chi is something I would learn as well, but in my school you have to master Yang 24 and 42 as well as Wu style first....
  • xibanyae
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 3:51PM [Report]
    very nice chen style bai he liang chi!
  • WiaBuGirl
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 3:50PM [Report]
    You have no idea how much I enjoy reading your blogs! It's really really nice to have someone as knowledgeable as you who is willing to share his experiences with the rest of us! As and actress and a martial artist its great to read this post. But seriously, Reeves VS Li? Was there seriously any real debate on that one? ;-) Look foward to reading more of your stuff soon!
  • rottendoubt
     
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 1:00PM [Report]
    wow, great that you guys got to meet up!  and ya no way keanu beats jet in a fight.
  • houyousheng
    Official artist 
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 9:26AM [Report]
    Thanks for mentioned me here, Mr. Logan.  But I am not that good as you depictured.   Look forward to train with you again soon.
  • Flagday
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 8:31AM [Report]
    The clan Logan is too cute.  There oughta be a movie in that one.  I liked the Matrix movies for what they were - SciFi.  And Siler is the ultimate promoter -- he could NOT have been serious. As for Tai Chi Master - Jet is just so beautiful - I could watch the opening and closing over and over ....
  • leomonkey
    posted on Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 8:06AM [Report]
    thanks for this interesting blog. being a Jet Li fan I have seen Tai Chi Master and Kung Fu Cult Master but haven't seen the others - I will put them on my list. I also enjoy Donnie Yen's performances and am always up for viewing his movies. I can't believe anyone could be mad enough to claim that Keanu Reeves could beat Jet Li. But I guess it is just as absurd to consider that Bhuddist Jet would be up for participating in an actual fight anyway.
  • andy_lau_spain
    posted on Monday, Jul 6, 2009 11:40PM [Report]
    nice blog, indeed I agree that some people think everyone who plays a martial artist is one in real life,...dunno why
  • invincibleadi
    Official artist 
    posted on Monday, Jul 6, 2009 11:15PM [Report]
    nice ...
  • invincibleadi
    Official artist 
    posted on Monday, Jul 6, 2009 11:15PM [Report]
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