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Are Chinese People Racist?
Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 3:43AM / Members only
OK, so I said I was going to stay away from this issue, but I swear it keeps finding its way to me. HONEST! At any rate, given the controversy over the "Go, Oriental Angel" contest, conflicts with the African community in Guangzhou, and the recent visit by Obama, I figured this was an interesting article to read.
To my thinking, the former blog which featured a short film about an Asian man using a pejorative term for Black people in America would not be classified in the same way as the internet reaction toward a young woman who is half black and half Chinese winning a contest. In both cases, I think nationality, government stance, and history should determine the frame work for analyzing either circumstance.
More to the point, I think neither the article below or the short film from the previous blog take into account the complexities which explain racial conflict or the historical circumstances which hinder understanding about the nature of prejudice, racism, intra-class conflict, and poverty.
But then, that's just my two cents. Give me yours if you happen by!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111401147.html
China confronts issues of race and long-held prejudice
President Obama's scheduled visit to China has stirred debateBy Keith B. Richburg
Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:26 AMAs a mixed-race girl growing up in this most cosmopolitan of mainland Chinese cities, 20-year-old Lou Jing said she never experienced much discrimination -- curiosity and questions, but never hostility.
So nothing prepared Lou, whose father is a black American, for the furor that erupted in late August when she beat out thousands of other young women on "Go! Oriental Angel," a televised talent show. Angry Internet posters called her a "black chimpanzee" and worse. One called for all blacks in China to be deported.
As the country gets ready to welcome the first African American U.S. president, whose first official visit here starts Sunday, the Chinese are confronting their attitudes toward race, including some deeply held prejudices about black people. Many appeared stunned that Americans had elected a black man, and President Obama's visit has underscored Chinese ambivalence about the increasing numbers of blacks living here.
"It's sad," Lou said, her eyes welling up as she recalled her experience. "If I had a face that was half-Chinese and half-white, I wouldn't have gotten that criticism. . . . Before the contest, I didn't realize these kinds of attitudes existed."
As China has expanded its economic ties to Africa -- trade last year reached $107 billion -- the number of Africans living here has exploded. Tens of thousands have flocked to the south, where they are putting down roots, establishing communities, marrying local Chinese women and having children.
In the process, they are making tiny pockets of urban China more racially diverse -- and forcing the Chinese to deal with issues of racial discrimination. In the southern city of Guangzhou, where residents refer to one downtown neighborhood as Chocolate City, local newspapers have been filled in recent months with stories detailing discrimination and alleging police harassment against the African community.
"In Guangzhou, to be frank, they don't like Africans very much," said Diallo Abdual, 26, who came to China from Guinea a year and a half ago to buy cheap Chinese clothes to ship back to West Africa for sale.
With the recession, his business has dried up, his money is gone, and he has overstayed his visa. Now, like many Africans here, he spends most of his days at Guangzhou's Tangqi shopping mall avoiding the police.
"The security will beat you with irons like you are a goat," he said. "The way they treat the blacks is very, very bad." He and others pointed out the spot where in July several Africans jumped from an upper-floor window to escape an immigration raid. One migrant was reported critically injured in the fall, and a large number of Africans marched on the local police station in protest.
The Guangzhou Security Bureau said in a statement at the time that it had a duty to check that foreigners living in the city were there legally.
Long-held prejudice
In the 1960s, China began befriending African countries, supporting liberation movements in Africa and bringing African students to China in a show of Third World solidarity. Lately, China has further deepened its ties to the continent, with Premier Wen Jiabao pledging $10 billion in new low-cost loans at a China-Africa summit in Egypt this month.
But that official policy of friendship has always been balanced against another reality -- the widely held view here that black people are inferior, while white people are admired as wealthy and successful.
"The kind of prejudice you see now really happened with the economic growth," said Hung Huang, a Beijing-based fashion magazine publisher and host of a nightly current affairs talk show, "Straight Talk." "The Chinese worshiped the West, and for Chinese people, 'the West' is white people."
Hung, 48, said her generation was "taught world history in a way that black people were oppressed, they were slaves, and we haven't seen any sign of success since. The African countries are still poor, and blacks [in America] still live in inner cities." Hung noted that Chinese racial prejudices extend to the country's own minority groups, including Tibetans and Uighurs -- or anyone who is not ethnically Han Chinese.
The view of American blacks as poor and oppressed fits into the official government narrative of America as a place of glaring inequalities. China's most recent annual report on the United States' human rights record in 2008, released in February, made no mention of Obama's historic election. But it said, "In the United States, racial discrimination prevails in every aspect of social life."
"Black people and other minorities live at the bottom of the American society," the report said. "There is serious racial hostility in the United States."
Sherwood Hu, a Shanghai-based filmmaker, was one of the judges on "Go! Oriental Angel" who gave Lou high marks. "Before the Cultural Revolution, China considered black people our brothers and white people our enemies," Hu said. "But deep down, they're a little bit afraid of black people."
The racial animosity here taps into a prejudice dating to China's mainly agrarian past: Darker skin meant you worked the fields; lighter skin put you among the elite. The country is rapidly industrializing and urbanizing, but that historic prejudice remains. High-end skin-whitening products are a $100 million-a-year business in China, according to industry statistics.
'Are we racist?'
Chen Juan, 27, a secretary in an English training school in Beijing, regularly uses skin-whitening products and carries an umbrella on summer days. "For me, the whiter, the better. Being white means pretty," she said. "If someone looks too black, I feel they look countrified and like a farmer. . . . Being white is prettier than being black."
"In my impression, black people, especially Africans, are not clean enough," Chen continued. "To be frank, I just feel black people are too black. Definitely, I wouldn't consider having a black guy as my boyfriend even if he were rich."
P.C. Chike, a Nigerian businessman in Guangzhou who has been in China for five years, exports wigs and extensions made from Chinese hair to his home country. He married a Chinese woman from Beijing, and they have a son, with another on the way.
"Chinese don't like Africans. They don't like black skin," Chike said. "China trying to embrace Africa is a political statement. The question is, how do they treat black people?"
Li Wenjuan, Chike's wife, said she thinks racial attitudes are less coarse in Beijing than in Guangzhou, where the commonly used Cantonese term for blacks translates as "black ghosts."
Some here say Obama's presidency is causing a major shift in attitudes. Others, however, say many Chinese rationalize his election as a fluke of the American system or suggest that Obama, whose mother was white, isn't "really" black.
"It will be really interesting to see what happens when he comes to visit, because I really think the Chinese have a hard time with it," said Hung. "Nobody has dealt with this question of what this means to our sense of race. It's a kind of self-examination that Chinese -- including myself -- need to go through. Are we racist?"
Lou sees similarities between her life and Obama's -- she also grew up without her father, whom she never knew. She read Obama's autobiography and watched his campaign speeches on television. She learned how to chant "Yes, we can!" in English and calls Obama "my idol."
Reading the withering online criticisms of her talent-show appearance, she recalled, she came across one poster who asked: "Now that Obama is president, does that mean a new day for black people has arrived?"
"I think the answer is yes," she said. "Some Chinese people's perceptions of black people here have been transformed."
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If I Was Like You
Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 6:54AM / Members only
I know I said I was going to stop talking about race, but what can I say. I'm a black woman in America!
Anyway, I really love this blog called Racialicious. As I was reading, I ran into an interesting conversation about a short film on youtube. It has touched off a heavy conversation on the relationship between African Americans and Asians, the impact of poverty and crime on both communities, as well as fear, grief, and loss.
Its problematic but really really interesting. The conversations on Racialicous covers what I would say about it, and there are a number of interesting other points of view as well. All of them are intelligent- thank God!!!! So if you have time, take a look at the conversaton after viewing the clips below. The link to Racialicious is http://www.racialicious.com/2009/11/03/special-presentation-wesley-dus-if-i-was-like-you/#comment-2045754
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FsMnX1HjDY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ADfGiqug8E&feature=related
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Frustrated with the new V
Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009 10:17PM / Members only
just posted a comment on the ABC discussion board for V. I'm really annoyed with this shit. See below the vid and then my comment.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hJRafM1e8Q
My ABC Post:A number of people have posted comments in varying ways about this, but I thought I would broaden it a little. The thing I find immediately disturbing is the degree to which there is a lack in numbers of people of varying color,/race, nationality, age, etc. across the board. The old V had numerous African American charcters, latinos, Asian-Americans, etc. The old V had a few religious differences. The old V was multi-generational! (Remember the old lady throwing malotov cocktails into a space ship?) The old V had a woman as the leaders of both the aliens and the resistance (about the only thing they seemed to have maintained from the old show). More importantly, the old V focused on the power of the scientific community as well as law enforcement and the religious.
V was in part powerful because it enabled us to see a world - a spectrum of humanity - in the fight against the Aliens. More importantly, for those people of color who continue to be absent from television in any kind of substantial way beyond one person of color per show, it allowed us to see ourselves reflected on the small screen in all kinds of variations (on the side of the resistance and the aliens).
I mean, old V had atleast FIVE black characters and TWO Asian-Americans- NOT including the background or the one show appearances. That's not just a lot for a show then, its more than a show thats on tv NOW. I find it difficult that a show which was so amazing in its breath of showing many people - despite age, race, sex, religion, or nationality - could be translated to what I saw in this pilot. I will try to hang on a little longer to see what they do with the show, but if I dont see other humans other than white people in this show in greater numbers than the usual 1 per show, I'm going to loose interest and they'll loose my viewership.
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Asian American Men and Stereotypes
Thursday, Sep 17, 2009 8:10AM / Members only
Not blogging alot these days because I'm crazy busy. Buuuuuutttt, found this interesting vid on youtube. (love that section on vids I might like. Youtube knows me. I feel so special). Take a look. Hope you find it interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHIi11HX0tE
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An Ode to Insomnia or I Wrote a Song About It, Like to Hear It, Here it Go
Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 2:55PM / Members only
1am. no sleep.
3am. no sleep.
5am. no sleep.
6am. no sleep.
I got to get up out this bed,
'cause I'm just laying here,
scratching my booty and my heeeeeeeead.
AAAAAHHHHH. HAAAAAAAA!
3hrs. sleep today.
4 yestaurday.
2 the day before.
The past two weeks,
3 or 4., no more
I try a glass of wine.
Blessed sleep at nine!
I wake at 1.
This shit aint no fun.
Stuff on my mind.
say one more time.
aaaaaaaahhhhhh.....hhhhaaaaaaaaaaa!
That is all.
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MissScarlettposted on Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 11:57PM [Report]Best not hit actual people. It's frowned up and could get you arrested ;)
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enigma306posted on Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 10:22AM [Report]Girl, I think I'm gon need a helicopter lower me down at the mid point and pick me up an hour later.
Aside from the herniated discs everything is emotional. Supv is trying to fire me. I hate the witch. I've got the low down on a new gig. Hopefully, I'll be able to curse her ass out soon. -
enigma306posted on Saturday, Sep 5, 2009 10:58AM [Report]Well I got tired laying in the bed staring at the wall.
A couple of days ago I downloaded and watched an episode of SMAPxSMAP because of you. Two of the guys walked The Great Wall and I had to see it. They walked from pt 1 to 32. They even went through parts I had heard were closed because they're dangerous. Got to one section where there was no wall. They had to go down stairs attached to the side of the mountain and across this rope bridge thing over a cascam (never could spell that word). Girl, I was feeling sorry for you and them. The producers tied them them together. Took them 12 hours to finish. -
enigma306posted on Monday, Aug 24, 2009 3:03PM [Report]HEY Look who's back! My feeds are like 2k deep so if you updated, gomene sai. How was it... ok I'll check for updates.
You had it right. This pisces needs water. I don't know why it didn't come to me. Probably because I'm broker than I've ever been right now. Can't afford to waste money on the tolls that get me to the damn beach. *sigh* My life. Thanks for the hug. -
enigma306posted on Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 12:34PM [Report]It's this RPG thay from some company named zynga or something and used as an application on Facebook and myspace. You make your vamp, attack others, acquire minions and store vamp currency aka blood. You also need a big clan. I just love hitting that attack button, lol and buying abilities. I wish it were animated. That would be oooh..I'd never leave the computer.
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enigma306posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:05AM [Report]I have yet to set foot in Mississippi. I think when I do it might just be a layover in an airport. Definitely get a jump on the language. At least learn some basics like "Excuse me where's the bathroom, lol. Dare not ask, huh? The smuggling and handcuffs right? I 'splained all the yes' & no's in 2 sep blogs.
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enigma306posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:41AM [Report]I put a pic of my bro on my desk at work. I had off the next day. I'm come in 2 days later and he's gone. Photonapped. I looked for him all day. Finally, the woman who sat next to me came in and asked if so&so put your bros pic back? This chick stole his photo (frame and all) and had it sitting up on her desk in the place of honor. I went to her and picked it up and that heffa tried to stop me. Talkin bout you want that back, don't you have other pictures. Girl, I was like I'm gon back right on up cuz this lady dun lost her little mind. Later on she asked me for a photocopy. I told her no. That night when I went home, so did he.
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enigma306posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:25AM [Report]Lookie at what I found:
Qĭng wèn, cèsuŏ zài năr? - Excuse me, where is the toilet?
I refuse to go to any country w/o knowing how to ask that one damn question, lmao. This isn't the site I found last year, but it seems like a good one: http://www.radio86.co.uk/explore-learn/learn-chinese
They have online lessons. I think I'll be trying them. I felt all special when I said, "Xie Xie," to a waiter in a restaurant and he replied, "You're welcome." -
enigma306posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:19AM [Report]girl, that's why i said genes. luckily it seems my family overpowers all plain & ugly. i just need to make sure no hidden funkiness or midgies (sounds horrible doesn't it) but I'm 5'9".. can't be having a man climb me like Mt. Fuji. (Damn that just made me lmao) Girl, your friend ain't lied!! That's what I said about Japan. I said all those people on them little islands what do you think them bias do when they get bored or have a break? Devise some freak shit for yo' ass.
$1500!! Good thing I'm not a computer genius. I'd wind up with some bogus Spellman papers and pop up as a grad, lol. There's Temple U Japan but after I graduated my life was so hectic with my parents being ill, I never even though about checking out TUJ. I've actually been considering the Foreign Service.
We've heard similar stories I'm sure. I was a little taken aback during the Olympics last summer. A news caster for the BBC was in the Forbidden City and made the sweeping statement "...they don't like non-white people." He stumbled over his words cuz he was gonna say black. I forgot the topic of convo. THey were talking China opening up. I think what will need to be overcome are the images that our media has put into their heads, which shouldn't be that hard.
Girl don't be jealous. I don't think you'll need to know how to tell someone "I love you" or scream out "don't die!" I do know how to say "I'm sorry" and "thank you" though. You know there's a site that has phrases and recorded pronunciations. I've been considering going to the Berlitz, but I don't wanna pay them all that money to find out it doesn't work for me.
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enigma306posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 2:59PM [Report]*deep cleansing breaths* In thru the nose (hold it of a count of 8.. a slow count.. stop rushing) and out slowly thru the mouth . I'm convinced one day that shit gon work.
Anywho, I'm so jealous u going to China soon. Lucky lucky you. I had a typical exp with Japanese and school. I went to a brand new HS cuz they said they offered Japanese. I get there and all they had was Fr and Sp. I was pissed. Accepted to study at Uof PA for a summer cuz they offered Japanese and when I got there they had dropped the class. And my parents would not let my 16 year old ass drop out to lounge for the summer so I was stuck. Get to undergrad and it interefered with all the "must have" classes. Later, I got so caught up in hating my major that I forgot to even check on it.
I dropped some bills on Rosetta Stone. I should've sent that shit back. I'm fairly good with languages. I pick them up easily, but Japanese is thwarting my efforts. Almost all the Japanese I know, I learned from their dramas and anime and did know prior to RS. Can you say waste-o-money? It's not as conversational as they say, at least not any convo I've had. (Thanks to Taiwanese dramas, my Mandarin is coming along nicely, lol.)
Have fun! If you find some attractive men (good genes girl) looking for greencard hook a sista up. I ain't even laughing. -
enigma306posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 9:21AM [Report]hahaha It was you. That's funny. You can't tell pseudo-intellectuals they're ill informed as they know EVERYTHING; thus, can not possibly be incorrect. So, it's their job to teach you because they believe the HISstory books and believe they've been educating as opposed to the other way round. O_o oops what did i just say? HA! The Message just shuffled onto my iTunes. Talk about appropo.
I was about to rip ole girl a new one in Wu's comments after she condescendly said something like I'm probably too young to remember the 70s and went on to talk blaxploitation movies. Girl, I turned bright red (not hard considering my complexion), but my sister walked by and said ease up your grip Al. I had gripped up my own keyboard w/o realizing it. That's why I said I was 'bout to be banned. Lord only know what I was about to type. I logged out, called luvli to complain like crazy, and watched a movie. That's when I started my mantra: This is not your domain and you can not do & say everything you want.
Next time just ig it. I was bout to til I saw you were being ganged up on. Say what you're gon say and move on. Don't even go back and check comments. My old supv gave me advice I can hear in my head, "Just let it gooooo." - More comments >
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- OK. So this is my first time on this site. Not asian, so why join? OK - here goes. ...OK. So this is my first time on this site. Not asian, so why join? OK - here goes.
First the Intellectual Reason: Always an interest in Chinese and Japanese history - Chinese especially. Spent my undergraduate years studying Chinese and Vietnamese history. Wanted to learn Mandarin but my college (Spelman- historically black, all female college) never offered it when I was there. It remains to this day the bane of my existence and the reason I never went on to study Chinese history in graduate school. I was at a disadvantage and I knew it. Didnt know how I would learn the language and be in graduate school, so I thought I'd better prepare and write a senior history thesis which might allow me to study either Chinese history or African American history.
Easy right? Easier than what you might think. There is a strong history of African American and Chinese interaction - especially during the early years of the communist take over. So my senior thesis was: The influence of Mao Tse Tung Thought on the Black Panther Party ---- and yes my thesis was quite fly. However, things didnt turn out as expected and I ended up studying the civil rights movement instead. Not a problem for me since both parents were involved in the 60s movement, but it still took me away from an interest that I still have.
What to do, what to do....got a big boost from my younger play sister. She learned Chinese so that she could write her senior undergraduate thesis on the Chinese community in Jamaica and their attitudes as citizens. Great project. She studied in China for a year to help her with the language. I was and am very jealous. Then I thought - why be jealous? If I want to learn, then damn it! I should learn. So - I got a Chinese immersion audio and I am now going to study in Tianjin this summer.
Not so intellectual reason: OK....history I'm great at. Language I'm slow at. how to make this fun? Look at movies and film. Get a feel for sound of the language. Makes sense right? Ha! I sure hope so.....and in the context of looking at film and t.v., I have become intrigued by a number of artists and actors. So this is a good place to get updates on the folks that I think are cool......and maybe try to use some of the areas of the site to translate a sentence or two......(snorting) I sure hope this works. I am a bad combination of impatient and stupid when it comes to language. Anyway, I will try to kill two birds with one stone --- be nosy while simultaneously picking up a few characters here and there. (Here and there is all I'm hoping for right now - I'm slow, not foolish).
Personal Reason: This will be my first blog and I have to say there is something nice about saying your thoughts into the air without the "eye" of family and friends wanting or needing an explanation. Just my thoughts.....its like a sexy version of a diary.
So here goes....I get to pick up on a few phrases, be a fan of great artists, and talk shit. Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. (snickering)
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