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  • FILM-FIGHTING 101 (Part1 of unknown)

    Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 5:35PM / Standard Entry / Members only
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     After visiting more artists pages on AnD, I’ve been inspired to write something informative. (dun dun dunnnnnn!) No, the end of the world is not coming, I just thought after reading useful information at the sites of Jeanne Hartman, Mark Allen, Bey Logan and many others, I, too, have a field of study, film-fighting.

     

    This is fueled in a major way by my friends telling me “Don’t blame people for not being able to tell the difference between good and bad film-fighting, if you don’t INFORM them!” Okay! So I understand that 4 out of 5 people aren’t able, just like how I AM NOT ABLE to tell the difference between good and bad ballet. You get me? There’s no blame here, just hugs and kisses.

     

    So… I just realized… THIS is my attempt to educate. (inner monologue: what did I get myself into?) Keep in mind that this is just MY take on it. One may ask, “What are my credentials?” Long story semi-short, I couldn’t afford a martial arts school so I first learned martial arts by watching film-fighting. I would analyze fight scenes for days in order to learn it and do with friend; not just fighting, but beauty of expression, timing, emotion, command, and the many components I will explain to in order to compose a good film-fight. This began when I was 13 so I’ve been doing this along with coordinating and choreographing shows and film-fights for 17 years. The first show I choreographed and coordinated was for my high school at age 15. Okay, I know, I know, enough about me.

     

    (I feel I have to protect myself because people are vicious) I’m not a writer. I can barely convey myself accurately. As a matter of fact, I’m totally INCOMPETENT with a hoola-hoop, but film-fighting is the one thing I DO know. So if you happen to LIKE to pick on people for technicalities/wording or happen to be a person COMPETING IN MY FIELD (LOL), please leave happily NOW!

     

    I’ve never offered anything here more than some good-old fashioned salivating but here goes some information “one time for your mind” that WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU VIEW FILM-FIGHTING. 


    Key Components to Film-Fighting:

    1. Command – selling the fact that you have the power to damage. There are 2 components to command, core strength and expression.

    Core strength: the ability to stay in balance while you perform the moves. (Basically: Your spine is your core. The muscles around your spine make it tough.)

    Good example:

    Jet Li probably has one of the toughest cores ever expressed on screen; pulling difficult moves while maintaining good balance; the best wire worker in my opinion (Myth: people think wirework is easy). Of course, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Donnie Yen all have great cores. That is why they succeed well in it.

    Anti-thesis: Gymnasts have super core strength but cannot achieve this, because they lack other components.

     

    Bad example: Sonya from Mortal Kombat 1995




    I can pick on real martial artist but that would be mean. I will not.

     

    2. Expression (the other component for command, I separated to keep clear) – this gives the audience a feeling and just like in acting, a real human emotion is not simply black or white, happy or sad, excited or angry. Within one second humans have many emotions simultaneously and so it is also true for the expression in a film-fight. Aggression (next component I will get to) can fall within this category however the expression in a film fight can go further than just aggression. Bruce Lee was a master at this. He always preached about emotional content and so far no one has reached his level of emotional expression in my opinion. Poses such as Jet Li’s Wong Fei Hong pose fall into this category, it can inspire one to feel proud, confident and so on.

    This step is probably the toughest step. THIS IS WHERE NON-MARTIAL ARTISTS FAULTER. For how can one convey a MARTIAL SPIRIT, if one is not a martial artist?  They can only imitate… and often the imitation is simply a CONCEPT of martial spirit that is created in their MINDS, not authentic. It’s like, I am NOT from England but I can SORT OF imitate an English accent. I may be able to fool an American but will I be able to fool someone from England? Maybe not the best example but anyways.

     

    EVEN REAL MARTIAL ARTISTS FAIL AT THIS STEP: zzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz

    I’m tired… to be continue on the next episode of Film-Fighting 101.

Entry comments (24)

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  • moonchild72
     
    posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2009 11:46AM [Report]
    Curious info for us non-martial artistes ^^
  • mhough
    posted on Friday, Oct 30, 2009 5:06PM [Report]
    ooooo - not such a good fight.. ...in fact it is awfully amateur!
  • JRS
    posted on Friday, Oct 30, 2009 11:30AM [Report]
    @ Missy S:  I'm weird like that...what I remember that is!  I also have a thing for pictures and numbers.  Okay...too much info.  Hey, who's there?  Oh, just some guys offering me a big white canvas type shirt!  How nice...
  • MissScarlett
    posted on Friday, Oct 30, 2009 11:24AM [Report]
    @JRS: hahahaha! Ooooooooooooh yeah....
    Kinda scary the way you remember this stuff...
    (the picture in my head was a lot like that =D)
  • JRS
    posted on Friday, Oct 30, 2009 5:31AM [Report]
    @ Missy S:  You saw his 10 second vid last year for the Olympics, didn't you?  

    http://www.alivenotdead.com/d.y._sao/NI-DENG-WO-MA--profile-243157.html

    It's the arm pose but without the verbal... haha!
  • MissScarlett
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 9:21PM [Report]
    @ JRS: Oh I know. But, in context of your comment, I just found it amusing (and it put a picture in my head of DY doing a "ta da" which as even more amusing =D).
  • JRS
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 3:34PM [Report]
    @ Missy S:  A real bona fide gymnastics term, "Ta da" is how little gymnasts are taught to raise their arms in a salute when they finish a routine (or tumbling pass).  =)
  • JRS
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 3:33PM [Report]
    Oooo...this blog is rotating on AnD's front page!  Hoot!!!  =D
  • oxanabanshikova
    Official artist 
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 2:40PM [Report]
    But that's what actors do - imitate. Some actors do great job, some try..
  • Boon
     
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 12:34PM [Report]
    Yeah the girl who played Sonya was pretty terrible.
  • MissScarlett
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 11:01AM [Report]
    lol @ JRS's "ta da" hhahahahaha!
  • JRS
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 7:07AM [Report]
    Dacascos in a 3-clip vid from "Only the Strong"....capoeira stuff....good shite!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGNzQG6fIH4&NR=1
  • JRS
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 6:58AM [Report]
    Oh, check this out!  Mark Dacascos, a martial artist, is on Dancing with the Stars....he does a round-off backhandspring walkout during the dance and it's excellent.  Note how he hurdles at the begining of his round-off backhandspring....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_1i_j20Fk

    Again....a martial artist with good, solid gymnastic basics.  =)  ::two thumbs up::
  • JRS
    posted on Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 6:48AM [Report]
    I will agree that gymnasts are gymnasts and martial artists are martial artists.  What ticks me off is when martial artists try gymnastic stunts without proper training.  When that happens, it end up looking like really bad gymnastics!  So....I THINK......I think that an overall fantastic martial artist who puts his/her talents to screen MUST be able to be more competent in the basic gymnastics elements (i.e., aerials, round-off backhandsprings, back tucks etc.).  I'm not saying they have to stick their arms up and go, "Ta da!" after every gymnastic stunt, but instead stick the landings with the chest up....eliminate the  bent legs.  Example:  I love Jackie Chan's stunts and fight scenes but I cringe when I see his little bow-legged gymnastic moves.  Jet, however, is da bomb.  He has enough gymnastics training in his martial arts to make everything look fantastic.  Even in his early wushu days in the 1970's his aerials were top-notch.  I know I picked on your little 10-second Olympic tribute....I offered some criticism...actually, some good pointers.  Whether or not you actually consciously followed it, there was another vid later (I don't remember which one) but you did the same stunt better.  Much better.

    I think fundamental gymnastics training is beneficial for martial artists because it helps with the physics of flight and could eliminate potential injuries (for instance, did you know that doing a cartwheel with your fingers turned in will prevent you from breaking your forearms?).

    Back to film fight stunts...For me, I can tell a fight scene is going to not be rewarding for me, the viewer, to watch when there is an excessive amount of close-ups.  Close-ups in film fighting cover up a variety of flaws...like the fact that whoever's involved in the fights scenes can't fight!   Grrrr.....I guess that's why I prefer watching more Asian films because the stunt fighting is more realistic because you can SEE the fighters, not just a fist...not just a facial expression...not just a leg...you get the whole package.

    I can appreciate the difficulty of wire work as I've read several of Jackie Chan's diary entries from his various movies.  He really doesn't like it and explains in great detail how uncomfortable working in the harness can be.  

    D.Y., thanks for posting this up!  I would like you to do more...you have a lot of experience as a viewer and a doer.  Teach us, baby!  =D
  • rottendoubt
     
    posted on Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009 10:20PM [Report]
    whatever happened to bridgette wilson?
  • aznguy101
    posted on Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009 3:49PM [Report]
    so you actually posted it up...hopefully you continue talking about it more and create a buzz in the community.
  • Jaine
    posted on Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009 3:30AM [Report]
    hands DY a big cup of confidence
    sheesh man for all your disclaimers that was a great blog!!
    Only petty minded individuals pick on writing style in a blog that is designed to inform.  

    I'm not good at picking crap fight scenes from good ones, to me it looked like her kicks and punches lacked power and wouldn't hurt a guy like that.  Having said that, as a teacher of self defence to 12 year old girls, I can honestly say some of them can really pack a punch/kick.
  • Dreamy
    posted on Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009 12:03AM [Report]
    thanks for the information
  • MissScarlett
    posted on Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 10:09PM [Report]
    It's run-the-film-backward Sonya! Everyone wave at Robin in the background!

    For yer second point here, and talking about imitation, edit in a clip from the Matrix--that scene where Keanu Reeves is "fighting" Colin Chou. I'm a complete amateur in the realm of film-fighting (obviously), but even I noticed how intimidated and terrified Reeves face looked all the way through the scene. It wasn't, "I'm Neo, the chosen one!" It WAS, "Holy *beeeps!* If I forget my choreography, this guy is gonna destroy my pretty face!"

    Anyhoo, a nice diversion from film reviews and food pics. You should do this more often :)
  • Flagday
    posted on Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 8:10PM [Report]
    Even I would know that was a crap fight scene.  She was so off balance that she would have gotten a 3 on Dancing with the Stars.  But I also was throwing things at the screen watching famous but non MA actors in hit movies (which just proves that it does not matter who the action choreographer is...some actors are just too leaden or otherwise cannot pull it off and it doesn`t take a martial artist to recognize it).  Maybe you can demonstrate some of these techniques on quick YouTube clips or would that be too time-consuming?  Like 10 second clips - you at home?  Please don`t make me watch a horrible two minute+ clip like that again! lol  At least tell us `1:30 into the clip for the fight.`   Isn`t  watching the actual sissy girl fight enough sufferering?
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