The good thing about this site is the extensive use of English...at least for me...my Chinese writing and reading isn't that good so it's great to be able to get on this thing and express myself using English.

Politics and music - thoughts? For me, hardcore is all about a message combined with the music...it cane be lyrics reflecting society, or personal/emotional issues...

Do people here care about the political state of HK? Thoughts about the Central Gov't. stating that the soonest we'll have universal suffrage is 2017 instead of what others want 2012?

Riz

hm i'm not from hk so don't really have much knowledge of the political state/scene there. neither do i listen or follow klc's music..but over the years i have come across the klc site and your ramblings..

i must say good job! my chinese isn't that good either but it's comforting knowing a fellow english speaker is writing his heart out (whether ppl read/respond to them or not) about the hk music scene, how things are going etc etc.

anyways if ppl do have anything to contribute to this i'll be quite interested to read about them.

p.s i like you riz, in a non homosexual or stalking way.

wow i didn't think anyone was actually going to respond to this thread. quite typical of HK's apathetic sense that what doesn't "directly" pertain to them, then they don't care to worry about it. but politics governs us all...in everything we do...

thanks for reading the stuff that i do talk about! at least that's ONE person! :-)

peace,
riz

even though i wrote the latter bit there it did sound pretty freaky lmao :/


you know i do think this is true especially with the youth (of any country for the matter actually); perhaps it's just a lack of education and exposure.

but at the same time i do get a sense that some hk ppl are very passionate about their politics and rights (taking a note from the taiwanese i suppose) in that whenever i'm watching the chinese news i do see quite a few protests. however, they are more like movements rather than individual awareness, which is really the main concern in my opinion..

anyways i still know jack about hk politics so if anybody would like to elaborate, please do so..


hah in another thread, i was actually just talking about maybe the lack of 'interaction' that this site tries to encourage via 'artists' and audience; you're a good example man and i'm sure other ppl appreciate it.

p.s i read your may 21st comments on the klc website about jun kung; it's true, for someone with so much passion for music and it seems like also 24/7, when performing it, his name is chinese pop is sure underrated and unrecognised.

interesing piece of news from newspapers recently:

awareness of politics has gone UP in hong kong ever since the infamous July 1st protest years ago! that's a great sign! the news is reporting in the past 10 years passion for politics has steadly been increasing in HK even amongst the young.

so there's hope yet!!!

riz

I follow the development of China and HK for many years now and was just shocked about the way the government is handling the replacement/wrecking? of the famous historical peer (sorry, forgot the name).....

And I'm always curious to read news from first hand without filtering of international news agencies.

Silky

yeah...the pier is called the Star Ferry pier...and it's been demolished. they've removed the tower with the clock...and they say that they MAY just rebuild it somewhere else. but what's the point of that? after removing it from it's original home, it loses its character. it will always be a reminder of the time that the government ignored the thoughts and voice of the public...

right now the battle is on to save Queen's Pier...it's also going to be demolished to be replaced by a fucking road...lilke we need another one...

riz

They removed the clock tower? And they may place it somewhere else? Well that defeats the whole purpose of a "historical monument."

yup...and that's only for the buildings that we KNOW of...this happens throughout HK. such old buildings that are called "tong lao" are removed all the time...these are the buidlings like on Granville Road that are only 3 or 4 floors high and no elevators...

they just don't see the value in preserving a building or an area of HK...they don't see how our culture and heritage of this city can be remembered BEST by visiting an area that has been around for decades. they instead tear it down and put up a replica in a damn museum...

riz

Just like what Beijing is doing to prepare for the Olympics!

Yeah, that's the one I heard about - what a pity

It's just like destroying the identity of a city
But profit and progress seems to be anything that counts in modern China....
I heard about complete temples beeing torn down....

it's so strange to think about...modern china and what principles that country was actually built upon by mao tse tung...we all know that truth about this person and what he did to millions of people of this beautiful country. but that's another conversation...

the point is - think about where china has gone in just these past 10 years...people with an unimaginable amount of wealth which i'm sure their own parents are questioning...where did all this built up NEED for material wealth come from!??!?!

I once saw a very interesting report about the change in the chinese politic system. It turnes out to be ultracapitalistic under the curtain of still beeing communistic - very strange and contradictuous but no one seems to notice.... or they simply want to adjust to the western standard of living to avoid loosing their power through a political change...

yeah that is one of the interesting part about all of this. it seems SO clear that no matter what, China is destined for a much more western world. but the politicians are trying hard to keep and promote their communist backgrounds through this so-called "socialist capitalism" or whatever they try to "label" their hold on the communist background. but its totally a lost cause. one second in any part of china you can see how the young have turned their back BIG TIME on communism and how these ideals are no longer anything they give two shits about. all they know now is that china is open, they can buy what they want to buy, they can make money, they can spend this money on clothese/shoes/shopping/traveling, who in their family history has EVER been able to do this? this is a world they enjoy - if anyone takes this away - i think a huge explosion of unrest will hit the streets...

china has no way of alterning the course i think...its' going to be more and more open...more modern...with more freedoms being accepted into everyday life...the best is yet to come! :-)

riz

Yeah, that's what I think too, but where will lead to? I'm very concerned about the treatment of the nature and environment.

Yesterday I had a very interesting discussion with a guy, who regurarly works in Asia/China and the way the young people facing their future with   courage und positive attitude. It's somehow the opposite to Europe, where a lot of young people are discouraged and/or lazy. They just didn't see any goal in working hard to achieve a a better life or just to rely on their own...