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Originally posted by jedijetmaste at 2009-6-20 07:01 PM
Thought this was interesting. There is a huge debate on the net at the moment on whether The Expendables should be R rated or pg 13. If its a throwback to the old eighties action flicks the it would make sense for it to be R rated but I not that bothered just as long as it's entertaining. I don't know, what does everyone here think?

http://screenrant.com/the-expend ... -rating-kofi-13957/

What's the language use like?.....and the violence?  etc.  That is what a mommy will ask....So pg13 should be fine if not suitable.....!

I don't think I'll let my kids see it though! sorry!




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I vote for PG-13.   

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was PG-13 for adventure violence and scary images.  Sounds pretty similar.

Just so there's no nudity, heavy drug use, or real profanity.




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Yeah if its an adventure story like the Indy films then yes pg 13 would be perfect and maybe genius on Stallones part but if they are gonna cut it from an original R rated cut to fit a pg 13 format just for commercial reasons then I'm not so sure. I mean look at Terminator Salvation, Terminator 3 and Die Hard 4 -all suffered from these trims and cuts and where no where near as awesome as the first installments. I don't want it to be mindless carnage for the sake of it but I don't want Stallone to compromise his original cut to suit the studios.
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I don't really care about the level of gore, it's not a selling point for me. I do appreciate it when the gore-level is in sync with the rest of the picture though. Indiana Jones doesn't need to have images of guys having their eyeballs getting shot out of there heads. The Expendables? Who knows! It sounds hardcore enough to justify a R-rating.

That being said. I think this is a movie that focuses on the 'fun' factor of violence a lot. It appears to want to emulate the 'vibe' of those late 80s action movies. Some of those weren't as brutal as other, but in my memory, most of them accompanied the running and gunning with a more then fair ammount of blood and severed limbs (Commando, anyone?). If that fits the tone of the movie (which I'm pretty sure it will because it honestly has 'hardcore badass' written all over it), and adds to the 'OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BADASS THIS FILM IS!'-factor, I'm all for it.
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I don't really care about the level of gore, it's not a selling point for me. I do appreciate it when the gore-level is in sync with the rest of the picture though. Indiana Jones doesn't need to have images of guys having their eyeballs getting shot out of there heads. The Expendables? Who knows! It sounds hardcore enough to justify a R-rating.

That being said. I think this is a movie that focuses on the 'fun' factor of violence a lot. It appears to want to emulate the 'vibe' of those late 80s action movies. Some of those weren't as brutal as other, but in my memory, most of them accompanied the running and gunning with a more then fair ammount of blood and severed limbs (Commando, anyone?). If that fits the tone of the movie (which I'm pretty sure it will because it honestly has 'hardcore badass' written all over it), and adds to the 'OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BADASS THIS FILM IS!'-factor, I'm all for it.

I'm certainly going to watch it.......too.  (without the kids )




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Toned down language?  Limited blood and gore?  What...are they Oxford mercenaries using the Kings English and observing all the rules of the game in their spanking white cricket uniforms?  Their job description appears to be [willing to kill or be killed to achieve the mission in exchange for money money money -- probably best if you have no family -- no benefits].  If this movie is what most of us expect---even if it is half of what most of us expect---it is by definition `R-Rated`.  Most of those 80s action movies were rated R in their day.  The question is:  Is R in 1989 the equivalent of an R in 2009?  Well I do not think so.  We are way more hardened to film violence and vulgar language today than we were 20 years ago.  But is the box office effect still the same?  Yes.  R limits the audience--now to 17 and older.  Do theaters even bother to card kids these days?  I think if they make it R-rated the box office will be solid and if it is a good kickass film then DVD sales will be through the roof.  And if kids really want to see it all they need is dad to take them to the movies.  Nice bonding time.  If the producers make the mistake of smoothing out all the rough edges to make it PG--13 then they will be shooting themselves in the foot.  This movie had better AT LEAST contain material that is inappropriate for children under 13!  This aint supposed to be a Pixar flick.   And this opinion is being expressed by a middle-aged woman who likes plot with her action (a la Die Hard --  Predator -- Terminator etc. -- all R-rated).  But I still expect this to be R all the way.
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Toned down language?  Limited blood and gore?  What...are they Oxford mercenaries using the Kings English and observing all the rules of the game in their spanking white cricket uniforms?  Their job description appears to be .  If this movie is what most of us expect---even if it is half of what most of us expect---it is by definition `R-Rated`.  Most of those 80s action movies were rated R in their day.  The question is:  Is R in 1989 the equivalent of an R in 2009?  Well I do not think so.  We are way more hardened to film violence and vulgar language today than we were 20 years ago.  But is the box office effect still the same?  Yes.  R limits the audience--now to 17 and older.  Do theaters even bother to card kids these days?  I think if they make it R-rated the box office will be solid and if it is a good kickass film then DVD sales will be through the roof.  And if kids really want to see it all they need is dad to take them to the movies.  Nice bonding time.  If the producers ma ...

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Flag, don't beat around the bush... just say what you mean.




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8 days left onThe Expendables. This week we film the church without Church, a RandyCouture/Steve Austin slugfest & all the guys & pirates about 7 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/marialascala
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Man, fuck PG-13 action movies. Action is about violence, and violence is hardcore. Don't suck up to the mainstream crowd by sugarcoating violence. Ugh! The Expendables needs to be rated R off the bat, not just on the DVD. It's about mercenaries sent to kill a South American dictator; which will involve a billion soldiers engaging in an epic battle with a lot of weapons and a lot of fists. Honestly, what part of that sounds like PG-13? Nothing! The action cannot be cut or censored just to satisfy a buncha soccermoms. It needs an R.
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Now it might be PG13? I tried to warn you!






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Originally posted by Kityun at 2009-6-22 09:23 PM
Man, fuck PG-13 action movies. Action is about violence, and violence is hardcore. Don't suck up to the mainstream crowd by sugarcoating violence. Ugh! The Expendables needs to be rated R off the bat, not just on the DVD. It's about mercenaries sent to kill a South American dictator; which will involve a billion soldiers engaging in an epic battle with a lot of weapons and a lot of fists. Honestly, what part of that sounds like PG-13? Nothing! The action cannot be cut or censored just to satisfy a buncha soccermoms. It needs an R.

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I've completely changed my mind.  Now I want it rated G so I can take my soccer grandkids.




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Yeah I want it to be R rated but if its pg 13 I'll still keep my hopes high for the flick just not as high lol

Pretty cool set report here. worth a read plus it talks a little about Jets fight with Dolph and states Bruce Willis is Church.

http://movieblog.ugo.com/movies/the-expendables-set-visit-the-trip-that-kicked-my-ass
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Come on, you've seen '80s action movies before, right? The six heroes face off against hundreds of Red Berets as they come out of tunnels around the statue. Of course, they wipe them off the face of the Earth, with some resulting explosions that set off car alarms as far as three miles away.

Imagine how many soldiers get shot in the face during that scene! They can't possibly cut away right when they get shot in the face just to go for a PG-13 rating. Kapow *cut* kapow *cut*... it needs to be kapow *headshot* *cut* *headshot* kapow *headshot* *headshot* *headshot* *crotchshot*, otherwise it'd be pretty unrealistic.
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Thanks for the link about the set of the expendables,with Jet and others . It already spoke about an eventual sequel (?), why not if it's a good movie.
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I don't know exactly how the fight ends, but I did see Sly trying totalk Dolph down from hanging an already dead pirate. Overkill seems tobe this character's lifestyle. ]Rene Rosa (aka Evil Adam)

I don't know,. that sounds pretty R rated to me lol
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Thanks for the article JJM.  Reading The Expendables in the same sentence as The Magnificent Seven and The Dirty Dozen gives me hope the movie has more than explosions going for it.  I dont like that he mentioned Jackie as a potential replacement Expendable for a sequel.  I hope they don/t kill off Jet/s character.
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I didn't understood that it was for  eventual replacement , I would prefer they add Jackie with Jet , instead of  the death of the character of Jet. (If his character would die).
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No Colombe.  They did not say that.  That was just what I speculated based on the knowledge that there is an axiom in Hollywood that IMO goes something like this:  in an action ensemble cast the perfect blend of characters cannot exceed more than one Asian face unless the Asian ass-kicking actor is supplemented by an Asian computer nerd who is a peripheral character.  That may sound like I am joking and I am but it really does seem like that is the rule.  Actually it may also be true for ANY Hollywood film.  It also applies to other minorities as well.  Hollywood likes to serve up a nice variety pack with a little bit of white overload.   So in this case when I see Jackie being offered up I assumed it is because Jet dies in The Expendables I.  Obviously Jet is expendable.  Sly is not.  Maybe even Jason is not.  The other characters are all expendable for sequel purposes.

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